Nirvana:
This could be Heaven or this could be Hell!
By Pastor Joe Schimmel
“Get stoned and worship Satan.”—Kurt Cobain
Nirvana is considered by many to be the most influential band of the 1990’s. With their multi-platinum success, they rocked their generation in more ways than one. First with their music and finally with the suicide of their leader, Kurt Cobain. In 1994, Rolling Stone magazine named Nirvana “artist of the year.” Rolling Stone would also classify Nirvana’s Teen Spirit as the “grunge national anthem” (Kurt Cobain: The Rolling Stone Interview, By David Fricke, January 27, 1994). Spin magazine classified Nirvana at the very top of the “ten that mattered most” bands in the decade of 1985-1995. Chuck Crisafulli declares that, “It was Teen Spirit that rescued rock ‘n’ roll” (Chuck Chrisfulli, Teen Spirit, Simon & Schuster, p. 6, 1966). The author of a biography written about the life of Kurt Cobain, the notorious leader and singer/guitarist for the group, declares regarding Nirvana’s album Nevermind:
“Nevermind will be a contender for the album of the decade…Nevermind dragged alternative rock into the mainstream virtually overnight, one man stood aloof from the outpouring of praise compared by The Times to Beatlemania” (Christopher Sandford, Kurt Cobain, Carroll & Graff Publishers, Inc., New York, 1997, pp. 206-207).
Like Beatlemania in the 60’s, Nirvanamania had struck like an atom bomb upon the music scene of the 90’s in both Europe and the United States, mostly owing to the creative spirit of Kurt Cobain. Cobain is described as the “prince of grunge and unwitting mouthpiece for a generation,” and the one responsible for “inventing what became the grunge lifestyle” (Ibid. p16, 54). We believe there is evidence that demonstrates that it was more than Kurt Cobain that influenced the masses of youth in the 90’s to adopt the grunge/alternative lifestyle. One does not have to look very deeply into the life of Kurt Cobain to see that the spirit that inspired him was not the Sprit of God. Let the reader be forewarned, examining the life of Kurt Cobain is like lifting the lid off of a cesspool. Amidst all of the glamour and fame that is associated with being a rock “star”, Cobain’s life was filled with utter hopelessness and despair.
Cobain the Devil Worshipper
As a true member of the lonely-hearts club band, Cobain’s powerful sense of rejection from his childhood would feed his insatiable desire to be accepted. Cobain has been described as “rather a sickly, underdeveloped figure of a young man who got picked on a lot” (Nick Kent, The Dark Stuff, Ca Capo Press, New York, 1994, p. 341). So strong was Cobain’s desire to be respected and accepted, that Cobain would sell his soul to the Devil for the price of fame. For starters, Kurt Cobain made no qualms about who he was serving when he made it known publicly that his stated goal was to “get stoned and worship Satan” (op. cit. Sandford, p. 42). Cobain’s worship of Satan manifested itself in a multiplicity of ways. Cobain sported a statue of Mary, the mother of Jesus, “with its head cut off” (Ibid. p. 89). Cobain, like other Satanists, also had a penchant for the desecration of churches. Cobain, with his bass player Chris Novoselic, spray-painted “GOD IS GAY” on a church building (Ibid. pp. 57, 165). Cobain, according to Rolling Stone, would also spray-paint “HOMO SEXUAL SEX RULES” on a bank. Rolling Stone further reported that Other favorite graffiti included “GOD IS GAY” and “ABORT CHRIST” (Rolling Stone, Inside the Heart & Mind of Nirvana, by Michael Azerrad, April 16, 1992). Beyond spray-painting blasphemous statements about God on a church and sporting a decapitated statue of Mary, Cobain would take song lyrics he was dissatisfied with and set them on “fire and leave [them] burning on the porch of the Open Bible Church” (op. cit. Cobain, Sandford, p.68). Beyond this, Sandford writes:
“It was after the destruction of not only a wooden notice-board but an expensive crucifix and other artifacts that the police called at East 2nd with the suggestion that Cobain’s presence in Aberdeen would be more sparingly required in the future.“(Ibid.)
Cobain “decorated” his apartment as he explained, “with baby dolls hanging by their necks with blood all over them” (Ibid. p. 54). Rolling Stone would further report that “Cobain made a satanic-looking doll and hung it from a noose in his window” (Rolling Stone, Inside the Heart & Mind of Nirvana, by Michael Azzerad, April 16, 1992). The fact that Cobain was considered some kind of national or even international hero well illustrates the wicked depths of depravity to which the human heart has sunk. While Cobain may have influenced some for evil through graffiti on churches, it was through his music that millions of people would be influenced by the satanic beings that used him like a pawn in a much bigger game. Cobain’s involvement in black magic and witchcraft would escalate to the point that Cobain would begin casting spells in an effort to see his will done (op. cit. Sandford, p. 172). Cobain’s interest in the occult would eventually lead him into a relationship with occultist William Burroughs. Stephen Davis, the biographer of the Led Zeppelin saga “Hammer of the Gods”, compares Burroughs to Satanist Aleister Crowley, stating:
“Like Crowley, Burroughs was an urbane and genial human Lucifer, a modern magus, a legendary addict, and an artist whose influence extended far beyond literature to music, painting and film.” (Stephen Davis, Hammer of the Gods, Ballantine Books, New York, 1985, p. 237).
Burroughs also associated with Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and, ironically, it was Burroughs who first christened hard rock with the label “Heavy Metal” (Ibid. p. 104). Burroughs claimed that he first became demon possessed after killing his wife. Cobain would seek out Burroughs’ services seeking his collaboration on a music project (Op. Cit. Sandford, p. 255). In a Rolling Stone interview, Cobain would later underscore as one of the highlights of his life that of “Meeting William Burroughs and doing a record with him” (Kurt Cobain: The Rolling Stone Interview, By David Fricke, January 27, 1994). Such was Burroughs’ influence on Cobain that, “William S. Burroughs received ‘special thanks’ on In Utero for being a cherished inspiration to Cobain (op. cit. Teen Spirit, Chuck Crisafulli, p. 84).
Besides William Burroughs, Cobain was “obsessed with Anton LaVey” (Mojo Magazine, Sept. 1999, p. 86). Anton LaVey was the founder of the Church of Satan and the author of the Satanic Bible. So obsessed was Cobain with Satanist Anton LaVey that he sought to enlist LaVey by having him play cello on Nirvana’s Nevermind album! Cobain’s involvement in witchcraft and Satanism is a fitting explanation as to the source of his inspiration and the uncanny ability he had for coming up with alluring and seductive hooks that so frantically enticed Nirvana’s fans. Cobain is described as “stumbling on melodies by means he himself didn’t fully understand.” (op. cit. Sanders, p. 70). In the occult, this is referred to as automatic writing is a process wherein a demonic being channels poetry or lyrics through a human being in an effort to negatively effect society. This is surely what took place through Cobain, the willing and twisted medium for satanic forces. Even the legendary guitarist Chuck Berry would exclaim, “he had a touch most guitarists would kill for” (Ibid., p. 71). While “kill for” might be a stretch, sell one’s soul for is far more fitting.
Cobain the Drug Addict
Cobain’s infatuation with Burroughs probably transcended that of his occult involvement and was in part due to Burroughs notoriety as an addict. Cobain had a special love for drugs. Heroin was one of his drugs of choice. BAM magazine noted that not only would Cobain nod off in “mid-sentence,” but also “the pinned pupils, sunken cheeks, and scabbed, sallow skin suggest something more serious than fatigue” (op. cit. Azzerad, Rolling Stone, p. 34 ). Sadly, if Cobain hadn’t ended his life with a shotgun blast to the head, it would have most likely still ended with a heroin overdose. After his death, the toxicology report confirmed that:
“along with traces of Valium, there were 1.52 milligrams of the drug [heroin] in his blood, three times the normal fatal dose” (op. cit. Sandford p. 10).
Nick Kent claimed that those “strangely undiagnosable” stomach “Problems” that Cobain claimed to experience were “almost certainly” a result of Cobain’s years of drug abuse:
“… the years he spent punishing his intestines with all manner of cheesy pain pills washed down with most disgusting codeine—infected cough medicines available almost certainly provided the direct reason why his poor old guts ached so viscously” (Nick Kent, The Dark Stuff, DA Capo Press, New York, 1994, p. 341).
To support his drug habits, it has been alleged that Cobain “sold to the deadbeats on Heron Street, or at least engaged in a drugs-for sex traffic in order to support his habits” (op. cit. Sandford, p. 51).
Cobain the Homosexual
Cobain himself admitted, “I’m definitely gay in spirit”, as well as “I probably could be bisexual,” and admitted to a close friend that “he’d had sex with three or four men’ (Ibid. pp.268-269). His widow, Courtney Love, indicated that his homosexual escapades went well beyond that of three or four men when she claimed that he’d “made out with half the guys in Seattle” (Ibid. p. 359). Cobain would utilize his fame as a platform to showcase his perversity and influence others thereby. Not only would he publicly French kiss his bass player on Saturday night live, but he would also publicly display his perverted penchant for cross-dressing. Cobain carried with him perverted pornographic pictures of women in various poses with animals and displayed behavior that is too deviant and grotesque for this writer to further describe.
Cobain’s Murderous Heart and the Occult
Cobain had an enormous ego, even for a rock “star”. Sanford in his biography stated:
“Anyone in the performing arts is prone to the accusation of egotism and vanity, but when it comes to Cobain the stench overpowers anything that has gone before.” (Ibid. p. 15).
While Cobain at times expressed discomfort with all the fame he had achieved, Nick Kent stated:
“I mean, this guy was planning on being a rock star from age two…He always professed to hate all the attention with which fame presented him, yet the first thing he did upon going platinum was to marry Courtney Love, a young women who wantonly draws attention to herself like a magnet sucks up tiny ball bearings.” (op. cit. Kent, p. 341).
Such was the enormity of Cobain’s ego that he would lash out at those sources that would question him. Cobain wanted to murder a female journalist named Lynn Hirschberg who wrote of his wife unfavorably in Vanity Fair when calling into question her alleged use of cocaine while pregnant. Cobain breathed murderous threats:
“I’m going to kill this women with my bare hands. I’m going to stab her to death. First I’m going to take her dog and slit its guts out in front of her and then [expletive deleted] all over her and stab her to death.”(op. cit. Sandford., p. 172)
Cobain would not end up killing Hirschberg with his “bare hands”, but would continue to nurse his murderous hatred toward her until the end of his life. In fact, rather than killing her with his “bare hands”, Cobain sought to do her in by enlisting the forces of Satan to do his bidding by utilizing his black magic. Sandford explains:
“At the very end of his life, Cobain was engaged in elaborate calculations, with the aid of a book on magic numbers, to determine a formula to ‘hex the [expletive deleted]’ (Ibid. p. 172).
Cobain the Hater
Cobain’s murderous thoughts went far beyond that of murdering Lynn Hirschberg, but extended to his wife. At one point he had to be persuaded not to kill Courtney Love (Ibid. p. 249). Cobain also had a fierce hatred for humanity in general. The Word of God tells us that Satan is a murderer and was such from the beginning. Cobain, like his father the devil, held such a deep-seated hatred for humanity that he declared “ninety-nine per cent of humanity could be shot if it was up to me”, he maintained that only “one or two people” were worth saving (Ibid. p. 257). In his suicide note found after his own self-murder, he wrote, “I’ve become hateful toward all humans in general” (Ibid. p. 333). Cobain would demonstrate this hatred toward even many of his fans with both spitting upon them at concerts, as well as derogatory comments.
Cobain, though, did little harm to his fans through spitting and occasional comment. The real harm came as he led so many of them down the same path of self-destruction that he had chosen and exhibited in himself. Whether it was his utter perversity on stage or the hopelessness and despair he communicated through his music, the damage he did is incalculable and will only be understood in its totality on judgement day when he stands before the Almighty God and gives an account for his life. Cobain’s philosophy was truly Crowleyan: “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” Sandford, one of his biographers, states that “Cobain lacked anything resembling an ethical centre” (Ibid. p. 237). In the spirit of Crowley, Cobain rejected biblical moral absolutes and rejected the authority of God over his life and established Satan as his ultimate authority. Satan factored in because it was through Satanism that Cobain could have the success he so craved. Cobain’s alliance with wicked spiritual forces directed at the very people he hated may have paid great dividends in his mind. On one hand he was able to experience the acceptance he craved for so long, albeit artificial, and on the other Cobain was able to unleash powerful destructive forces through his music upon the very human race he so hated. Cobain was pivotal in further undermining any residue of moral foundation that was left in many of those who were initiated into his style of music. Sandford points out that Nirvana used their music as a tool of “subversion of traditional values”:
“Nirvana and the new fauna of Seattle rock shared a number of attitudes and taste, including a form of exoticism centered on punk, a public display of apathy, a disinterest in work, the cult of feminism, and the subversion of traditional values via music” (Ibid. pp. 104-105).
Even Cobain’s posturing as some kind of feminist was betrayed by his lack of sensitivity and the utter brutish way he treated women. One woman describing her experience with Cobain stated:
“Kurt rammed his hand hard between my legs. It was terrifying…He was panting like a dog, and there was a froth of spit around his lips. I yelled at him to stop and he laughed at me. With one hand he backed me up against the wall and the other he pushed into me. If [the other couple] hadn’t come back when they did, he would have raped me.” (Ibid. p. 90).
This same woman goes on to state that, “as far as I’m concerned, all the stories about Kurt-the-feminist are a sick joke. He hated women. No one who does what he did has a right to any respect” (Ibid. p. 91). Such reports of his demeaning attitude and brutal treatment of women are not isolated, but numerous. Cobain was a devilishly wicked person who would often even torment his other band members. Many of those who knew Cobain claimed that there was something incredibly evil about him that would sometimes manifest physically. One of his peers who attended school with Cobain explained that there was,
“a kind of menace about him. When he gave you that blinkered look, it was straight out of the exorcist or one of those Satanic-worship films.’’ (Ibid. p. 23).
Press Association reporter Graham Wright has stated that “Kurt went from Dr. Jekyl to Mr. Hyde in the space of a minute.” (Ibid. p. 246). This kind of manifestation should have not been shocking, but expected from Cobain, who himself admitted as documented earlier that he had set out to “worship Satan.”
One of his band members describes him as one who could be transformed from a ball of indifference to a “little Hitler” in an instant. Yet another described entertaining him as, “like living with the devil” (Ibid. p. 53). That all of Cobain’s antics were not simply a charade, but truly part of a sad tragedy that was his life is evident from the fact that sometimes these demonic manifestations would end in tears and even suicide attempts. Bruce Pavitt, co-owner of Sub Pop Records (Nirvana’s early label), stated that in Rome during a concert Cobain nearly committed suicide on stage:
“After four or five songs, he quit playing and climbed up the speaker column and was going to jump off. The bouncers were freaking out, and everybody was just begging him to come down. And he was saying, ‘No, no, I’m just going to dive.’ He had really reached his limit. People literally saw a guy wig out in front of them who could break his neck if he didn’t get it together” (op. cit. Rolling Stone, Azzerad, April 16th 1992).
Sandford further describes this rather bizarre incident wherein Cobain became like an animal on stage:
“For a quarter of an hour Cobain clambered through the rafters, clawed the curtains, swung from a chandelier and ape like, prattled at the crowd. According to Azerrad, ‘He wound up backstage, where someone from the venue was arguing with their tour manager over whether Kurt had broken some microphones. Kurt grabbed both mikes, flung them to the ground, and began stomping on them. ‘now they’re broken,’ he said. Then Cobain announced he was leaving the group, ‘shrieked like a beast’ at Channing, and burst into tears” (op. cit. Sandford, p. 134).
His widow, after his suicide, would state that “Kurt had a lot of personal inner [expletive deleted] demons, a lot of frailties and physical ailments.” Sandford would state in his biography, “He was a diffident, yet aggressive personality who struggled with demons that drove and tormented him” (Ibid. p. 97). The sad irony is that the demonic forces he had opened his life up to more and more in his pursuit for fame and success were the very demonic forces that would later inspire him to take his own life. Goldberg claims that “Kurt saw innumerable Doctors and therapists” (Cobain, A Rolling Stone Press Book, 1994, p. 87). No amount of secular psychologizing could exorcise the demonic forces. Had Cobain not been a rock “star” he probably would have long ago been committed to a mental institution. Being the commodity that he was for his record label, he was used by them, as he was by the devil himself. This, though, was a two way street as Cobain profited from both the devil and his record company, or so he thought. Perhaps Cobain was deceived into believing that the only way he could escape the demonic world that so tormented him was by blowing his brains out. Sadly, though, perhaps the only one he hated more than humanity itself was God, and he was not about to turn to the Lord. Cobain had a supreme hatred for all authority, especially that of God’s. This was demonstrated at the beginning of this article.
The Destiny of the Damned
Many would view it as a sad irony that the leader of a band called Nirvana would end his life with a horrific suicide. But as Gina Arnold, author of Route 666: The Roads to Nirvana, admitted, “People talk about Kurt Cobain’s wonderful sense of irony. There isn’t any irony.” I would take it a step further and say there never was any Nirvana. Nirvana was never really heaven in the first place.
Nirvana is the Hindu name for heaven. It is a counterfeit heaven designed to bind people to the millions of Hindu demon gods which are worshipped in India to this very day. Cobain and his music had its share of eastern influences. From beguiling eastern melodies to Cobain’s references in interviews to karma, reincarnation, etc. Even as these illusionary concepts have cursed India and zapped the very life out of hundreds of millions of Hindus through the centuries, Cobain, like so many of the rock “stars” before him, continued to introduce these concepts to the Western world. Truly, there is no irony. Cobain’s concept of Nirvana from the get go was actually a hell. Crisafulli comments on Cobain’s concept of Nirvana in his song “Paper Cuts”,
“The subject seems to sing that he has found his “nirvana” and is in a contented state in a place where all needs are met and there are no outside worries. But to any outside observer, the subject has simply gone insane in a filthy, one room prison” (op. Cit., Crisfulli, Teen Spirit, p. 23).
Although the subject of Cobain’s song had no choice as to his or her condition (the song was partly based on children who were tormented and confined to a closet), Cobain chose to live a hellish Christ rejecting existence filled with drugs, hatred, vandalism, blasphemy and devil worship. Cobain was only too aware that his life was only a Hindu Nirvana, an illusion after all. This perhaps more than anything else contributed to his state of utter emptiness and the far away look of hopelessness and despair that was only too evident in his eyes and on his face. A face he would soon blow off with a shotgun blast to escape the person he’d become. This too was not ironic, you see, the concept of Nirvana includes the termination of existence. Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary submits this definition of Nirvana:
“1. In Hinduism, a blowing out, or extinction, of the flame of life; reunion with Brama.” (Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary, p. 1214)
Cobain simply wanted to “Cease to Exist”, to use the title of a Charles Manson tune which the Beach Boys decided to put on an album. This was part of the New Age teaching which was imported to the West by so many of the rock bands since the 60’s. While so many of them have promised enlightenment and a New Age, the gig is up, the fruit of such teaching has only led to destruction and eternal damnation. Even as Cobain saw Nirvana as a living hell on earth, he must have understood that the spiritual concept had to do with the termination of existence. Cobain’s Nirvana was no path to eternal bliss or even absolute cessation of existence, but a road that leads through the very gates of hell. For, as Christ taught, man is only able to destroy the body, but God is able to destroy the body and soul in Hell (Matthew 10). If the truth be known, Cobain only wanted to be a rock “star”, he declared “I would prefer to be in a coma and just be woken up and wheeled out on stage and play and then put back in my own little world” (Azzerad, Come As You Are). Cobain claimed that he had no interest in “simple pleasures” and “inane things” that people discuss and would “rather just be asleep” (op. cit. Kent, 342).
Cobain, the leader of the Grunge movement, would sit down to write his suicide note in his home, wherein unlike prior times nobody would be around to coax him out of it. He addressed the suicide note to “Boddah”, his invisible “friend” (op. cit. Sanders, p. 328). One of the reasons it seems that he committed suicide was that the devil was no longer delivering the goods in regard to musical inspiration. In his suicide note he would write, “I haven’t felt the excitement of listening to as well as creating music, along with really writing, for too many years now.” Sandford has stated, “In his suicide note, Cobain despaired that his muse had flown south…” (Ibid. p. 361). This has been Satan’s Modus Operandi from the beginning and certainly through the history of Rock ‘n’ Roll. Satan seeks out those lonely hearts who are seeking fame, recognition, acceptance, affluence, power, or all of the above and uses such a one to his own perverse glory and then spits them and discards them for eternity.
God, through his Holy Word, has demonstrated to us that demonic beings are often associated with the instigation of suicide. After Satan had possessed Judas and used him to betray Christ, Judas was only left with despair and his new found fortune only became a reminder as to the magnitude of his betrayal. Judas ended up hanging himself and falling headlong to the ground wherein his bowels gushed out. Wicked King Saul was also possessed by an “evil spirit” and he was incredibly tormented. Saul also ended up committing suicide. We see in the gospels that Satan not only sought unsuccessfully to get Jesus to commit suicide, but Jesus delivered a young man with an evil spirit that was inspiring the young man to throw himself in the fire to destroy himself. Satan not only inspires suicides, but self-mutilation. The false prophets of Baal were inspired by their demon gods on Mount Carmel to repeatedly cut themselves until the evil spirits would respond to their spells. But as in the case with Cobain, there came a time when they no longer did and the false prophets were left powerless in performing their evil deeds. Now they had to face God. The Lord God responded by consuming every last one of them with fire.
Jesus also delivered a demoniac at the tombs of the Gaderenes. This man was also inspired by the demons that possessed him to repeatedly cut himself. After Jesus delivered the demoniac of the Gaderenes at the tombs, the legion of demonic spirits drove a herd of pigs to their death by drowning them in the sea after plunging them off a cliff. Satan hates all of humanity, including those who foolishly become his slaves. Thankfully, Jesus Christ delivered this man by casting the evil spirits out of him and restoring him to a sound mind. Sadly, Cobain would not accept Christ’s deliverance from his deep seated satanic bondage. As we can see, Satan has been on the scene inspiring self-mutilation and suicide long before Cobain, Iggy Pop, The Sex Pistols or Marilyn Manson came upon the scene. Sadly, it just so happens that through mass media and rock music, Satan has been able to inspire millions of impressionable young people to the same destructive ends. Satan also understands that he often gets more mileage out of a dead rock “star” than a living one by indelibly leaving his mark on an era. Jimi Hendrix, who admitted demon possession, also was deceived by the satanic lie that it is better to burn out than to fade away. Hendrix said before his premature death, “It’s funny the way most people love the dead…Once you’re dead you are made for life.”
Cobain’s decision to “Abort Christ” and “worship Satan” resulted in temporary success, but now rings eternally hollow compared to the bigger picture. Cobain’s life was less than a blip of time relative to eternity. Now Cobain has to pay the Piper. Worse, Cobain must face the eternal wrath of God who will not be mocked (Gal 6:8). Cobain was aware how dramatically his life had paralleled another left-handed guitarist from Seattle, Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix, like Cobain, died at the age of 27. Cobain must have felt his death was unstoppable, that there was no way out, and his time was up. While the demonic forces Cobain had aligned himself with were no longer giving him the powerful musical hooks which became his stock and trade and brought the masses of teeny-boppers to worship at his feet as a god, they were only too happy now to finish him off. Cobain was definitely tormented. Sandford imagined the scene just before the suicide:
“a millionaire drug addict sitting alone in his room confronted by the demons and vestiges of his youth, and no way to exorcise them but with a gun” (Ibid. p. 11).
Cobain’s suicide is not only explicable by factors of his own admission, like a sense of desperation due to lack of musical inspiration, but other sinister factors as well. Cobain’s suicide was a result of dying by the very sword he wielded so irresponsibly in his lyrics. Cobain often glamorized and exposed young impressionable minds to the idea of suicide through his music. Cobain would write a song on his last album called, “I Hate Myself and I Want to Die.” On his album In Utero, Cobain would sing, “look on the bright side is suicide.” Cobain would also sing, “Monkey see monkey do/I don’t know why I’d rather be dead than cool” (“Stay Away”). The same demonic forces that inspired Cobain to take his life channeled lyrics through him to encourage impressionable and depressed youth to take their lives as well. In Cobain’s suicide note, Cobain would echo the sentiments of another rock “star”, Neil Young, stating, “so remember—it’s better to burn out than to fade away.” Are we so blind as to claim that lyrics do not influence fans? In this case, a rock star died after penning lyrics glorifying early death by another rock star. The first song Cobain would learn on guitar was Back in Black by the overtly satanic AC/DC. Cobain would end his life and career with words from Into the Black by Neil Young. Sadly, after Cobain’s suicide, many would remember Cobain’s words. Just as he wrote, “Monkey see monkey do/ I don’t know why I’d rather be dead than cool”, a rash of copycat suicides followed as the youth he had long deceived followed in his foot steps. Nirvana fan Daniel Casper, upon returning from Cobain’s vigil, ended his life with a bullet to the head. Another 16-year-old fan locked herself in her room, and while she listened to Nirvana’s music, put a bullet into her head. Sadly, such examples could be multiplied. Andy Rooney, formerly of 60 Minutes, said succinctly, “When the spokesman for his generation blows his head off, what is the generation supposed to think?”(Andy Rooney, 60 Minutes, April, 1994). Donna Gaines admits in Cobain, a book produced by the editors of Rolling Stone:
“Teenage suicide was a virtually nonexistent category before 1960, but between 1950 and 1980 it nearly tripled. While America as a whole became less suicidal during the 1980s, people under 30 became dramatically more suicidal. While adolescents have the more frequent attempts of suicide – an estimated 400,000 a year – the actual rates of suicide are actually higher once people enter there 20’s” (op. cit. Cobain, A Rolling Stone Press Book, 1994, p. 128).
Rolling Stone should get a clue, or at least admit the obvious. Suicide rates began to soar with the advent of Rock Music in the 50’s and 60’s. It is no coincidence that while suicide among older people dropped slightly in the 80’s, it soared astronomically in the 80’s among younger people who had immersed themselves in heavy metal bands and/or punk rock bands which extolled the demonic virtues of self-murder. The evidence is starring Rolling Stone in the face. In fact, the title of this section of their book on Cobain is called, Suicidal Tendencies, taken from the name of a once popular punk rock band of the same name. Yet Rolling Stone has built their fortune on their promotion of many of the very groups who have inspired God only knows how many thousands of suicides. Cobain allowed the very demonic spirits that were tormenting him to influence the masses through him as a medium. One commentator wrote,
“this is just a sad little tale about a guy who never felt good about being alive, who channeled that screaming unease into a remarkable body of rock ‘n’ roll performances, and who then ended it all by shooting his face off” (op. cit. Kent. P. 343).
Cobain lamented in his suicide note that he was turning into a “miserable, self-destructive death rocker.” Not only this, Cobain also “expressed his terror that Frances Bean’s [his daughter] life would turn out like his own” (op. cit. Cobain, A Rolling Stone Book, p. 86). Prayerfully she will not, but Cobain’s suicide was certainly not the example to leave her if this was his fear. Certainly the words, “so remember it’s better to burn out than to fade away” were unconscionable and inexcusable if he was concerned about how his legacy would effect his daughter. What about all the millions of sons and daughters of other parents who because of him and other rock “stars” have to endure watching their children grow up into Cobain’s evil image? Cobain, if he had any conscience left, must have despaired as to the reprehensible damage and satanic influence he had on his fans. While drugs and sleep can allow one to escape the pangs of conscience for a small season, death only brings the conscience into full focus as every mouth will be stopped before God and will give an account for our lives.
Like so many rock “stars” before him, Cobain ended what was already ending and was the culmination of a life hell bent on destruction. One fan trying to make sense of what seems so senseless to those who are in the dark regarding spiritual reality stated, “It makes you wonder if our icons are genetically programmed to self destruct in their late twenties” (op. cit. Sandford, p. 338).
Cobain’s mother, Wendy O’Connor was a little closer to the truth when she lamented, “Now he’s gone and joined that stupid club. I told him not to join that stupid club” (Newsweek magazine, April 18, 1994). The “stupid club”, as Cobain’s mother refers to it, is in reference to Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison and other dead rock “stars” who died at the early age of 27. Even the Luciferean, William Burroughs, would declare that Cobain “let down his family” and “demoralized the fans” (op. cit. Sandford, p. 338). Burroughs would further state:
“The thing I remember about him is the deathly grey complexion of his cheeks. It wasn’t an act of the will for Kurt to kill himself. As far as I was concerned, he was already dead.” (Ibid)
Sadly, his fans were deceived from the get go, they were actually worshipping the living dead and, as much as they were influenced or glorified Kurt Cobain to that selfsame degree, they sped up the very atrophied of their own demise.
Sadly, Christ’s words concerning Judas Iscariot, who like Cobain committed suicide after betraying him, are a fitting epitaph for Kurt Cobain — “It would have been better that he was never born.” But that declaration would be fitting for everyone who rejects the sovereign of the universe and stands before Him for eternal judgement and perishes in a Christless eternity in the lake of fire. If you have been influenced by the depressing music of Kurt Cobain or other so-called rock-stars of his ilk, I would encourage the reader to realize that the same satanic forces that inspired his damnation are using the music they channeled through him to get you to give up on life. Jesus warned:
“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” (John 10:10)
Jesus came to give you eternal life. He died for your sins so that you would not have to go to hell. He rose on the third day and through His gospel defeated Satan who had the power of death. Jesus now has the keys of death and hell. Kurt Cobain sang about the “lake of fire” and said it would be like the fourth of July. This is a lie. God’s word describes it as unending torment where the wrath of God is justly poured out on the wicked that have died in rebellion against Him. The lake of fire is the eternal residence of all those who refuse to turn to Jesus and have their names entered into the book of life:
“Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:11-15)
If you are not following Jesus Christ, you are against Christ and on your way to the lake of fire. Jesus said:
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.” (Matthew 12:30)
The Scriptures declare that those who go to the lake of fire have no rest day and night forever and ever! Friend, Kurt Cobain also sang that Jesus didn’t want him as a sunbeam. The truth is that Jesus does not will that any go to hell, but desires that you would embrace His knock upon your heart and let Him in. He wills to save you, but will not save you against your will:
“Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” (Revelation 3:20)
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Ich zitiere den Apostel Paulus, “Knecht Jesu Christi, berufener Apostel, abgesondert zum Evangelium Gottes” (Römer 1,1) – ein Mann mit göttlicher Autorität also.
“Röm 1,26 Deswegen hat Gott sie dahingegeben in schändliche Leidenschaften; denn sowohl ihre Weiber haben den natürlichen Gebrauch in den unnatürlichen verwandelt,
Röm 1,27 als auch gleicherweise die Männer, den natürlichen Gebrauch des Weibes verlassend, in ihrer Wollust zueinander entbrannt sind, indem sie Männer mit Männern Schande trieben und den gebührenden Lohn ihrer Verirrung an sich selbst empfingen.”
Gott hat diese Menschen in “schändliche Leidenschaften” “dahingegeben” – wo liest du da etwas von Billigung von seiten Gottes? Im mosaischen Gesetz, dass Gott höchstpersönlich dem Mose diktierte, heisst es:
“3Mo 20,13 Und wenn ein Mann bei einem Manne liegt, wie man bei einem Weibe liegt, so haben beide einen Greuel verübt; sie sollen gewißlich getötet werden, ihr Blut ist auf ihnen.”
Da wird kein UNterschied zwischen “normalen” und “perversen” Homosexuellen gemacht, weil Homosexualität an sich schon eine Perversion von Gottes Schöpfungsordnung ist.
Du solltest deine Gedanken und Meinungen wirklich im Wort GOttes gründen und nicht im weltlichen Zeitgeist!
Ich kann nur sagen: dieser Text kann mich nicht überzeugen! Denn es steht nirgendwo explicit in der heiligen Schrift: “Du sollst nicht onanieren!”
Was hat Onan mit Onanie zu tun? Das ist Unsinn! Da wird einfach was reininterpretiert was nicht da ist. Denn er wurde nicht für die Masturbation erschlagen, sondern für was ganz anderes.
Wieso sollte Selbstbefriedigung zu irgendwie unguter Eigenliebe führen?
Ich soll mich ja auch selbst lieben (Gottes Gebot) und das heißt, ich soll auch für meine Bedürfnisse (und nicht nur für die anderer) sorgen. Sexualität ist nun mal ein Grundbedürfnis. Wenn ich also keinen Partner habe, ist es doch besser, sich selbst zu befriedigen als flüchtige one-night-stands zu praktizieren.
Dass Selbstbefriedigung dazu führt, dass ich dann gar nicht mehr das Bedürfnis nach einem Partner/ einer Partnerin habe, wird wohl niemand ernsthaft behaupten wollen.
Und nochmal zu der Bergpredigt: Also zeig mir mal einen der beim Sex seine Gedanken so beherrschen kann, dass er nicht an andere Frauen denkt. Sowas geht gar nicht! Ich find es so scheinheilig.
Wieso sollte das Sünde sein? Wenn Du keinen Partner/ keine Partnerin hast, ist das doch der einzige Weg, Befriedigung zu erlangen, ohne jemandem etwas Übles anzutun.
So ein Unsinn! Ich wehre mich gegen solch eine falsche Auslegung der Schrift!
Der Große beschützt den Kleinen und über ihnen wachen VATER SOHN und HEILIGER GEIST.
So, und jetzt geh ich meine Frau massieren, sie hats verdient und auf Grund beruflicher Fortbildung usw…meinerseits ist sie in letzter Zeit auch viel zu kurz gekommen.
Kämpft Brüder und Schwestern, bis zum Schluß!
ALLZEIT BEREIT FÜR JESUS!!!!
Amen
Ali, mach weiter, aber bedenke es gibt ein Leben jenseits des Computerbildschirms ;-))
ich whehre mich auch gegen die verdrehung der schrift.
wo sagt jesus, dass wir uns selber lieben sollen? er geht davon aus, dass wir uns selbst lieben, nicht, dass wir uns selber lieben sollen. sogar paulus sagt, dass noch niemand sich selber gehasst hat. wir sind alle fast unverbesserliche egoisten. da geb ich dem verstorbenen “falco” ausnahmsweise recht.
ali
Bibelstellen
1.Mose 8,21
Prediger 7,20
Johannes 4,16
Johannes 13,34
Römer 3,12
Römer 5,5
Römer 15,30
1.Korinther 13,1-10
2.Korinther 13,13
(1) Das Menschenbild der Bibel
Es ist richtig, dass im Menschenbild der Bibel der Mensch von Grund auf schlecht ist. Vom Zeitpunkt unserer Geburt an leben wir Menschen in der Rebellion gegen Gott. Die Bibel nennt diesen Zustand “Sünder”:
Alle sind abgewichen, sie sind allesamt untauglich geworden; da ist keiner, der Gutes tut, da ist auch nicht einer.
Römer 3,12
Denn kein Mensch auf Erden ist so gerecht, dass er nur Gutes täte und niemals sündigte.
Prediger 7,20
Gott weiß das alles:
Und der HERR roch den wohlgefälligen Geruch, und der HERR sprach in seinem Herzen: Nicht noch einmal will ich den Erdboden verfluchen um des Menschen willen; denn das Sinnen des menschlichen Herzens ist böse von seiner Jugend an; und nicht noch einmal will ich alles Lebendige schlagen, wie ich getan habe.
1.Mose 8,21
Aber er liebt uns trotzdem – so sehr, daß er seinen Sohn Jesus Christus geschickt hat, um die kaputte Beziehung zwischen uns Menschen und Gott wieder in Ordnung zu bringen. Jesus starb für uns und unsere Sünden am Kreuz, und diese Liebe ist auch ein Vorbild für unseren Umgang miteinander:
Ein neues Gebot gebe ich euch, dass ihr einander liebt, damit, wie ich euch geliebt habe, auch ihr einander liebt.”
Johannes 13,34
Angesichts dieser überwältigenden Liebe ist es auch für uns möglich, uns so anzunehmen, wie wir sind. Immer in dem Bewusstsein, dass wir Sünder sind und Jesus unsere Sünden am Kreuz für immer weggenommen hat.
(2) Abgrenzung zum Egoismus
Wenn du schreibst, dass der Übergang von Selbstliebe zu Egoismus fließend ist, hast du sicherlich recht. Selbstliebe heißt, sich selbst so anzunehmen wie man ist – mit allen eigenen Fehlern. Dazu gehört dann wohl auch, nicht über die Fehler anderer zu richten. Egoismus heißt dagegen Ichbezogenheit – in sich selbst verliebt zu sein. Man nimmt sich selbst auch an, geht aber mit den eigenen fehlern anders um. Anstatt sich die eigenen Fehler einzugestehen, ignoriert man sie. Die Fehler anderer Menschen prangert man aber konsequent an, und richtet über sie.
Es bedarf einer sehr ehrlichen Beobachtung, um herauszufinden, ob wir nicht in diese Falle der Überheblichkeit gefangen sind. Diese Beobachtung kann von uns selbst und von anderen gemacht werden. Wenn wir von anderen (hoffentlich) darauf angesprochen werden, sollten wir nicht unwillig reagieren (“Was hat denn der mir zu sagen, der hat’s gerade nötig!?”), sondern uns diese Ermahnung anhören und darüber nachdenken.
(3) Was ist wahre Selbstliebe?
Wie definiert eigentlich Gott die ideale Liebe – zu uns selbst, und zu Mitmenschen? Paulus schreibt:
Wenn ich mit den Zungen der Menschen rede und (denen) der Engel, Liebe aber nicht habe, bin ich ein tönendes Erz geworden oder eine gellende Zymbel. Und wenn ich Prophetengabe habe und weiß die Geheimnisse alle und alle Erkenntnis und wenn ich allen den Glauben habe, so dass ich Berge versetzte, Liebe aber nicht habe, bin ich nichts. Und wenn ich austeile alle meine Habe und wenn ich ausliefere meinen Leib, dass ich verbrannt werde, Liebe aber nicht habe, so nützt es mir nichts. Die Liebe ist langmütig, ist gütig, die Liebe ist nicht eifersüchtig, die Liebe prahlt nicht, sie bläht sich nicht auf, sie ist nicht taktlos, sie sucht nicht das Ihre, sie lässt sich nicht aufreizen, sie stellt das Böse nicht in Rechnung, sie freut sich nicht an der Ungerechtigkeit, sie freut sich aber mit an der Wahrheit. Alles hält sie aus, alles glaubt sie, alles hofft sie, alles duldet sie. Die Liebe hört niemals auf. Prophetengaben – sie werden abgetan werden; Zungen – sie werden aufhören; Erkenntnis – sie wird abgetan werden. Denn stückweise erkennen wir, und stückweise weissagen wir; wenn aber kommt das Endgültige, wird das Stückweise abgetan werden. Nun aber bleibt Glaube, Hoffnung, Liebe, diese drei; die größte aber von diesen: die Liebe.
1.Korinther 13,1-10
Wie das Neue Testament insgesamt wählt auch Paulus für “Liebe” das griechische Wort “Agape”, das in der Umwelt der Christenheit so gut wie gar nicht gebraucht wurde. Dort kannte man “Eros”, die verlangende Liebe, die freilich bei einem Mann wie Plato auch ein höchstes und edelstes Verlangen in sich tragen konnte, die aber dabei doch eine begehrende, auf das eigene Ich zurückbezogene Liebe bleibt.
Mit “Agape” bezeichnet das Neue Testament dagegen eine Liebe, wie sie zunächst nur von Gott her in Christus erfahrbar ist: eine Liebe, die nichts für sich will, sondern alles hingibt und opfert, und dies für Unwerte, Schuldige, Feinde, für Menschen, die ihr nichts wiedergeben und ihr nicht wirklich danken können. Diese “Agape” ist darum zuerst und in ihrem Ursprung die Liebe Gottes (2.Korinther 13,13; 1 Johannes 4,16), die Liebe des Christus (2. Kolosser 1; Galter 2,20), die Liebe des Geistes (Römer 15,30). Sie ist keine menschliche Möglichkeit, keine “höchste Tugend”. Sie ist erst recht nicht das, was wir für gewöhnlich unter “Liebe”, auch unter “christlicher Liebe”, verstehen. Ein Stück Freundlichkeit und Hilfsbereitschaft bringt die Welt sehr gut auch ohne Christentum zustande. Aber “Agape” kann uns nur durch den Heiligen Geist geschenkt werden (Römer 5,5b) – eine radikal neue, der menschlichen Natur entgegengesetzte Wirklichkeit – und gleichzeitig das Wesentliche des Christseins in Zeit und Ewigkeit.
Ich hab einfach das Bedürnis hier etwas zu schreiben.
Ich hatte vor über 10 Jahren einen Herzinfarkt und habe von den Zeitpunkt an Tag und Nacht Schmerzen.Ich bin Christ!Aber ich weiß nicht mehr so recht was ich noch glauben soll oder kann.Ich traute mich auch nicht in die Kirche zu gehen,weil dann die Anderen ihre zweideutigen Witze machen.Ich habe mich durch meine Krankheit wieder an Gott erinnert.Ich weiss,das klingt egoistisch(Gott braucht man nur in der Not).Ich habe am Tag oft gebetet,das er mir und allen Kranken und armen Menschen helfen möge,aber ich wurde nie erhört.Warum macht Gott so etwas?
Ich habe Ärzte kennen gelernt,denen war meine Krankheit egal.Es geht den meisten Ärzten nur ums Geld.Ich könnte über die Ärzte ein Buch schreiben.
Warum greift Gott hier nicht ein?
Die ganze Menschheit krankt.Fast alle Menschen versuchen nur zu Lügen und Betrügen.Es ist eine ganz verdorbene Gesellschaft.Dem Bundespräsidenten kann ich nur zustimmen,aber warum der ehemalige Bundespräsident sich erst jetzt aufgelehnt und nicht im Amt,da hätte er noch etwas bewegen können?
Ich werde auf jeden Fall ein Mensch bleiben und die Menschen akzeptieren so wie sie sind.
ich kenne auch einige leute, die chronisch leiden, obwohl sie christen sind. ich wünsche dir den beistand gottes.
lade dir doch die geschichte von meinem bruder norbert runter. er hat krebs. sein buch heisst: absturz richtung himmel. siehe downloadbereich.
danke
ali
Wer Hochzeitspläne schmiedet, fiebert dem großen Tag natürlich schon lange vorher entgegen. Und hofft, dass möglichst nichts dazwischenkommt. So auch Regula Horisberger – doch ihre Hoffnung wurde nicht erfüllt…
Mai 1995: Auf dem Bauernhof der Familie Horisberger im Emmental wird
eifrig zur Hochzeit gerüstet: Regula und Ueli freuen sich auf den wichtigsten Tag in ihrem Leben und auf ihre Gäste von nah und fern.
Und vor allem freuen sie sich auf ihre gemeinsame Zukunft als Bauersleute.
Doch dann, zehn Tage vor der Hochzeit, kommt alles anders: Ueli und Regula steigen auf die Heubühne hinauf, weil sie nach einer kleinen Katze sehen wollen. Plötzlich gibt ein morsches Brett nach, und Regula stürzt viereinhalb Meter in die Tiefe. Ueli eilt zu ihr und erkennt sofort: «Jetzt ist etwas Schlimmes passiert.» Regula ist von den Beinen bis zu den Schultern hinauf gefühllos. Wie ein Blitz fährt es ihr sogleich durch den Kopf: «Jetzt ist all das, was ich mir erträumt und worauf ich hingearbeitet habe, nicht mehr möglich; ich kann nicht mehr Bäuerin, nicht mehr Hausfrau sein.»
Zwei Jahre vorher haben sie einander kennengelernt. Uelis Schwester hat Regula, die zu jener Zeit in einem Alterspflegeheim arbeitet, auf den Bauernhof eingeladen. Für Regula ist es Liebe auf den ersten Blick. Schon bei den ersten Kontakten führen Regula und Ueli, der auch ein aktiver Bergläufer ist, offene Gespräche miteinander. Bald schon schmieden sie gemeinsam Pläne. Regula ist bereit, ihren bisherigen Beruf als Krankenpflegerin an den Nagel zu hängen und das arbeitsame Leben einer Bäuerin aufzunehmen. Gewissenhaft bereitet sie sich darauf vor.
Nun aber sieht alles plötzlich ganz anders aus. Im Paraplegikerzentrum Nottwil, wohin Regula sofort geflogen wird, wird zur Gewissheit, was beide befürchtet haben: Regulas fünfter Halswirbel
ist komplett zertrümmert; sie ist querschnittgelähmt und muss sich auf ein Leben im Rollstuhl einstellen. Verzweifelt betet sie zu Gott: «Warum das? Ich verstehe das nicht! Gott, du weißt doch, dass wir uns unsere Zukunft gut überlegt haben.» Ueli besucht Regula jeden Tag in Nottwil. Lange Zeit sieht er sie regungslos im Bett liegen, und er fragt sich, ob sie ihn jemals wieder in die Arme schliessen kann.
Die Hochzeit muss kurzfristig abgesagt werden. Noch am Unfallort
wendet sich Regula an ihren Ueli: «Ich gebe dich frei», sagt sie ihm,
«so kann ich nicht mehr Bäuerin sein. So können wir nicht mehr den
Weg gehen, den wir geplant haben. » Auch Regulas Eltern zeigen
Verständnis für Uelis Situation; er sei noch jung und habe das Leben
noch vor sich. Sie versichern ihm: Wir wollen für Regula da sein.»
Das sind harte Momente für Ueli, tiefe Stiche in sein Herz. Lange
denkt er darüber nach, betet immer wieder zu Gott, und hört schliesslich eine Stimme, die ihm sagt: «Du wirst die Kraft haben, mit Regula den Weg zu gehen. Die Situation wird sich so verändern für euch zwei, dass Regula die Möglichkeit bekommt, dich zu unterstützen.»
Ueli denkt auch an den Ring, den er seit einem Jahr trägt und in welchem Regulas Name eingraviert ist; an der Verlobung haben sie sich doch versprochen, miteinander den Lebensweg aufzunehmen. Uelis Entschluss steht fest. Regula spürt, dass Ueli die Kraft hat, zu ihr zu stehen. Das löst auch in ihr neue Lebensmotivation und Freude aus. Plötzlich weiss sie: «Das Leben ist nicht sinnlos. Es geht weiter. Und für Gott bin ich nochgenau so wertvoll wie vorher.»
Im September 1995 heiraten die beiden. Anschließend verbringt Regula nochmals fünf Monate im Paraplegikerzentrum. In dieser Zeit baut Ueli das Bauernhaus behindertengerecht um. Die Freude ist gross, als Regula heimkehrt, aber dann sind sie beide gefordert und müssen lernen, mit den harten Realitäten des Alltags fertig zu werden. Da gibt es oft Momente, in denen es ihnen nicht gut geht; Momente der
Trauer und der Tränen. Mit eisernem Willen fassen sie allmählich Tritt. Nach einer Hand-Operation in Nottwil kann Regula ihre Finger wieder besser einsetzen. Die Küchenarbeit meistert sie weitgehend selbstständig, am PC kann sie die Buchhaltung und die Korrespondenz erledigen, und bei der Malerei, ihrem neuen Hobby, macht sie deutliche Fortschritte. Regulas Selbstwertgefühl wird laufend gestärkt; sie kann wesentlich mehr anpacken, als sie sich je vorgestellt hat.
Ueli hat inzwischen die Milchwirtschaft aufgegeben und seinen Betrieb auf Rinderaufzucht umgestellt. Er hat sich damit der neuen Realität angepasst. Im Keller hat er zudem eine Werkstatt eingerichtet, wo er Montage-Arbeiten für Jauche-Verteiler ausführt. Und nach wie vor ist Ueli Horisberger einer der schnellsten Bergmarathon-Läufer der Schweiz.
Regula und Ueli sind dankbar, dass Jesus Christus ihnen immer wieder
die Kraft gibt, vorwärts zu schauen.
Ich persönlich bin gegner jeder droge:alkohol zigaretten, hashish usw…. das kuriose daran ist, dass ich eine ausbildung in einem tabakkonzern gemacht habe, jahrelang dem alkohol nicht abgeneigt war und auch gut gekifft habe!PS.: halbes jahr klosteraufenthalt war auch dabei!!! das geheimniss der drogen, ist der bewusste umgang mit ihnen! wenn man die gehimnisse kennt, ist der rest nur lehrhaft!!!! kein mensch sollte über sachen urteilen, bzw seine meinung äussern wenn er keine ahnung von den dingen hat über der er schreibt!extremfälle gibt es überall in religion, job, alltag, lebensweise sowie genußmittel-/drogenkonsum und erweiterung des bewußtseins! niemand, der nicht sicher ist was er tut sollte sich in extreme verrennen und in diesen “hängenbleiben”!
Free your mind! das leben ist eine/die einzige droge!
www.schneckenhengst.de
eine droge ist eine substanz,die dem lebendigen organismus
zugeführt, funktionen verändern kann.
wenn wir allerdings hier von drogen reden, dann natürlich von den verbotenen, die unser leben fast zerstört haben.
hier ist unser experte: er war fast 25 jahre an drogen
gehangen. jesus hat ihn befreit. www.goforjesus.de
ali
Du hast recht:Es giebt nur eine Macht ,nur einen Erschaffer aller dinge.Nach seinen gesetzten geschieht alles.Alles Wachstum hat den Ursprung im inneren, die Ursache aller Kräfte ist auf ewig Gott,und er lässt sich nicht verspotten,denn was der Mensch säht das wird erauch ernten.
Denn in ihm ist alles erschaffen worden, was im Himmel und was auf Erden ist, das Sichtbare und das Unsichtbare, seien es Throne oder Herrschaften oder Fürstentümer opder Gewalten; alles ist durch ihn und für ihn geschaffen; (Kolosser 1:16)
Hallo Conrad,
vielen Dank für die schöne Auswahl an Bibelstellen. Möge der Herr vielen die Kraft und Liebe seines Wortes und seiner Gegenwart offenbaren.
Vielleicht wäre es doch mal eine Aktion, den verstaubten Bibeln in den Hotelzimmern einen ähnlichen Leitfaden als Umschlag zu verpassen.
Gott segne Dich und das ganz soulsaver team
Grüßle
Bernd
Schöner Artikel zum Thema “Safer Sex”. Aber ein paar Kleinigkeiten sehe ich doch anders. Zum einen bietet die Ehe KEINE Garantie für Treue! Dafür kann eine Beziehung ohne Trauschein durchaus lange halten, manchmal ein Leben lang. Es lässt sich nicht einfach so pauschalisieren, Ehe = Treue und Ehelos = Treulos! Das Problem ist in meinen Augen nicht die Ehelosigkeit, sondern dass Menschen oft nach den ersten Problemen in einer Beziehung – die früher oder später auf jedem Fall auftauchen – das Handtuch werfen! Das Problem ist, dass die Menschen i.d.R. gar nicht mehr dazu fähig sind, vom ganzen Herzen zu lieben und seinen Parnter / seine Partnerin als Ganzes zu sehen. Statt Liebe erleben sie nur Verliebtheit, die sich schnell in Nichts auslöst. Besonders dann, wenn man sich näher kennenlernt. Dann entsteht daraus eine Beziehung nach dem Motto “Ich gebe dir, damit du mir gibst”. Aber das hat nichts mehr mit Liebe zu tun. Auch der Sex wird dann zur Gewohnheit, zur Routine, die zwar befriedigt, aber nicht glückselig macht. Es fehlt die Schönheit der Liebe, die sich nur entfalten kann, wenn man diese Geben-und-Nehmen-Kategorien zur Hölle schickt und selbst etwas von sich zu geben bereit ist! Dann sucht man sich halt – ob bewußt oder unbewußt – etwas neues. Bis auch das irgendwann zur Routine wird. DAS ist das Problem unserer Zeit!!!
Hey Pega,
ich bezweifele nicht, dass eine Beziehung auch ohne Trauschein durchaus lange halten kann.
Sicherlich kann man auch jahrelang ohne Führerschein Auto fahren. Und? “..solange man sich nicht erwischen lässt..”.
Bei Gott ist das anders. DENN was zählt, sind Gottes Maßstäbe.
Und wenn in Seinen Augen eine aussereheliche Beziehung krank ist, dann ist sie es!!
Natürlich schützt der Trauschein nicht vor Untreue, da gebe ich Dir Recht. Aber das habe ich auch nicht behauptet.
Doch die Eheversprechen, die In DER DEMUT VOR GOTT gegeben werden, sind verbindlicher und der Erfahrung nach haltbarer als irgendwelche Lebensgemeinschaften.
Deinen anderen Ausführungen stimme ich zu.
Denn das, was Du beschreibst, ist ein Zeichen unserer neuen “Unabhängigkeit von Gott”. ‘Soll ja schliesslich auch ohne Ihn klappen..’
Die Realität sieht anders aus!
Das Problem ist nur, die Liebe kann schnell verflogen sein. Aus einer Ehe kommst du nicht mehr so schnell heraus… In meinen Augen stellt die Ehe den Versuch dar, die Liebe festzuhalten, sie einzusperren und zu konservieren – was in meinen Augen aber UNMÖGLICH ist!!! Liebe ist frei, sie ist wie ein Lebewesen. Lebewesen hassen Zwang und Unterdrückung! Die Liebe kann sich nur entfalten, wenn der Verstand mit all seiner Moral und seinen Erwartungen Ruhe gibt, um der Sinnlichkeit Platz zu machen.
Ich habe eine Freundin, die ich liebe und nioht im Stich lassen werde, obwohl wir ab und zu Probleme haben. Ja, wir haben auch Sex! Trotzdem kann ich beim besten Willen nicht erkennen, warum wir unbedingt heiraten oder auf die körperliche Liebe verzichten sollten. Es ist gut, so wie es ist! Wir tun doch niemandem weh damit. Und was innerhalb unserer vier Wände geschieht, geht niemanden etwas an! So sehe ich das, hehe!
Gott kennen? Hmm… wer kann von sich behaupten, Gott, den Unendlichen und Unbeschreiblichen zu kennen? Nur Narren, finde ich. Ich denke, es ist dem Menschen unmöglich, Gott zu kennen. Vielleicht ein paar von Gottes Wesenszügen, aber nicht Gott selbst…
Is ja schon fast philosophisch, was Du da schreibst.
Man kann sehr gut die Prägung erkennen, die Du genossen hast.
“Freie Liebe”. Gerade letztens habe ich mich mit einer alleinerziehenden Mutter unterhalten, die mal nach dem Prinzip lebte. Is schiefgegangen. Wundert mich auch nicht.
Wie sagtest Du: “In meinen Augen [..]”. Und da wiederhole ich mich gerne: es interessiert viel mehr, wie Gott die Dinge sieht.
Liebe ist eine Entscheidung und die Ehe ein verbindliches Zeichen dafür.
Hey Pega, meine Frage hast Du auch nicht beantwortet, gell?
fabi
Hab ich nicht? Ich sagte doch schon, dass ich nicht von mir behaupten kann und möchte, Gott zu kennen. Ich finde so etwas recht anmaßend zu sagen. Gott ist der große Unbekannte, von dem wir nichts sagen können, weil alle Begriffe menschlich sind und Gott nicht gerecht werden! Ich mag vor Gott lieber zu schweigen, über Gott zu staunen und Gott zu lieben – anstatt ihn in Zahlen (eins, drei) zu pressen u.ä.
Und das Kürzel ” in meinen Augen” bedeutet, dass ich nur MEINE Meinung wiedergebe und nicht für alle Menschen – und schon gar nicht für Gott – spreche! Denn letzten Endes ist jeder Mensch anders und was für den einen gut ist, kann für den anderen schlecht sein. Ich glaube NICHT, dass es für alle Menschen EINE richtige Moral gibt. Für die Gesellschaft vielleicht ja, aber nicht für jedes einzelne Individuum.
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